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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:17 am
Heh! Everybody else just postes their puzzles, but I would like some help with finding the unintended solutions. Does anyone have a minute to spare (okay... it might take more time than that. I believe the level is quite hard.)


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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:46 am
Is this what you're looking for? Smile


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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:24 am
Hepp! Thank you!

How about now?


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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:41 pm
Very nice puzzle! But I sadly couldn't solve it.

By the way, isn't it "Spikey"?
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:12 pm
Lillarion wrote:
Hepp! Thank you!

How about now?


I solved it with only one Choco Cloud Smile. Great puzzle anyway.

If you post any more of it, please rename it like Spiky Trap 2.. to avoid conflict.


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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:04 am
Thanks! As long as alternate solutions is harder than the intended solution I like them. Your solution is good, but it seems a bit too easy (compared to the intended solution).

By the way... Is spikey trap the right way to spell the level name?


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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:41 am
Lillarion wrote:
Thanks! As long as alternate solutions is harder than the intended solution I like them. Your solution is good, but it seems a bit too easy (compared to the intended solution).

By the way... Is spikey trap the right way to spell the level name?


First of all, I don't think my solution was 'too easy'. Maybe I made it look easy but I had to try several times to position the Choco Cloud correctly.

Secondly, I think it's the puzzle makers job to ensure no 'easy' alternate solution is possible. Why should I try to make things harder if I can do it in an easy way or only using one item?

And lastly, Intended solutions are generally the hardest & in some cases impossible to guess & recreate. That's why I don't plan my solution after seeing them. Intended solutions also uses all the items so making an alternate solution harder than the intended solution is naturally almost impossible & annoying.

Anyway, that's only my thought I've expressed. I hope you'll not mind. Smile

And I think 'Spiky Trap' is the right spelling.

Here's the replay of 'Spikey Trap', Again using only one Choco Cloud.


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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:12 am
It should be spiky. Yeah, english spelling is messed up, we know.

Level looks good.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:25 am
Well... I agree with much of what you say, but for this level I have found a new pice of game mechanics that I'd like to be a part of the solution which most people will find. I'm sorry if you think I put a too incomplete level up to be tested, though... I am however thankfull for the help you have given me.

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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:21 am
hmm, The bouncing effect is surely cool but I didn't understand the odd behavior of Bob..?

There are some things I'd like to tell which might help..

1.The Exploding Marshmallow right over Eets actually helps him land into the first platform by reflecting Eets while going upwards, Eets lands right over the pig, activating him.

2.The intended job of the Balloon Marshmallow can be replaced by a Choco Cloud & the BM instead can be used to activate the pig.

3.There are three usable Choco Clouds, but in the intended solution I can see only two, where is the third one? is it where Eets gets reflected when ejected from the shark?

4.Why have you placed two Angry Platforms between the gap?

Finally, I think you might create some trick to make the bouncing effect more obvious for the player to use, since the puzzle can be solved without doing that.I also think the puzzle needs few tighten ups to prevent straightforward alternate solutions.

I think Spiky Trap 2 also can be solved just like the previous replay so not posting it.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:21 am
No, it can't. You can't place a choco cloud where the angry platforms are. That's what makes the baloon bouncing necesarry.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:42 pm
You need to reposition those Angry Platforms. The puzzle is still vulnerable with one Choco Cloud.


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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:51 am
Hmm... What about now?


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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:22 am
Still possible to get a NS, although I had to use two Choco Clouds & it took a little longer. It's getting better & more challenging Smile


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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:58 am
That's so awesome that I now have two puzzles Wink

This one:


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